SparkFun Electronics Commentsurn:uuid:214d0e4e-f1b1-d287-ce26-ac5b4c9f82492024-03-29T02:46:44-06:00SparkFun ElectronicsCustomer #119477 on The "Internet of Things" is a scam!Customer #119477urn:uuid:02fb6f7f-3d97-00ce-6aae-1de3a201a2ec2017-02-10T06:57:32-07:00<p>Not a bad article but is missing a few recent pieces of the jigsaw - namely the arrival of affordable and low power IoT capable devices such as the ESP8266 and ESP32. With these we can package small, low power devices, with a bunch of sense-and-control technologies, and deliver useful devices for a low price. Due to reduced size, we can now integrate these devices into existing homes without additional wiring or holes-in-walls. These days everything I design is intended to be installed by anyone who can use a screw-driver and find their fuse-box.<p>The protocols which allow plug-and-play (from multiple manufacturers) are not yet complete, however they are progressing rapidly. So too the situation for security. All of my systems use the equivalent of AES along with automated key management (with continuous key generation). Good luck trying to hack any aspect of my home!</p><p>As an example, I recently designed a solid-state light switch assembly which integrates a thermally isolated temperature and humidity sensor, a smart, multi-sensor PIR device, control for in-room devices (such as HVAC zone control), an OLED touch screen, voice command, with an optional upgrade for AV intercom. The base unit should retail for around $40 and the entire device is designed to fit in place of any existing 2-pole 2-way switch.</p><p>Of course the IoT devices communicate to a server which also acts as a gateway to the internet. In my case this is a 7 inch touch screen which takes the place of your average HVAC control point. This allows remote monitoring, control and communications. However the architecture is able to fail-over to a second gateway or even a router-connected laptop or PC when loaded with the equivalent app. Ultimately the system is able to run independent of the internet albeit with degraded services (I use Alexa etc for voice processing).</p><p>I do not agree with all IoT enabled devices and there are glaring holes. For instance my washing machine will wifi-me when the water filter needs changing. This is a completely useless function because I see the corresponding glaring, flashing message whenever I open the fridge door. I also don't need a camera in my fridge and I especially don't need to be told I've run out of milk. Annoyingly, however, when I went to replace my salt water softener recently, I couldn't find a single one that could IoT me to say the salt was running out or that the system had sprung a leak! Also, with Utilities across America moving to punish home owners who install private solar, any IoT system worth having must integrate some form of load controller to optimize energy use and avoid crippling surcharges (which apply in States such as Arizona).</p><p>I would also like to see appliance manufacturers step up. For instance, my Bosch dishwasher uses two motors, an impeller, two filter screens, a heater, particle detector, a few valves, relays, control board and a bunch of piping. How nice it would be (and how simple to implement) if it could report precisely the cause of any malfunction. I estimated, on my $1800 Bosch, the cost of providing precision fault diagnosis would add around $30 to the build cost of the machine (BOM). This would avoid a double call-out, shorten diagnostic time, and allow the service repair man to arrive with the correct parts, ready to install.</p></p>
Customer #836880 on The "Internet of Things" is a scam!Customer #836880urn:uuid:fc0e179e-8225-c3ed-3209-41d382de0db62016-08-22T14:45:53-06:00<p>Iot is in other words... realy is about "Things" , with means for a commom person:
- anything that is not a "computer / computer like" , conected to another thing , that is not a "computer / computer like".
- or M2M , in with Machine is the end device, like a Lamp and a Air Conditioner ...<p>thats basicaly IOT ... S "smartTv" is just a TV, until it can conect to something in my house, and do something without i notice or care...</p><p>Or a machine in the industrial area broke, and it reduce the scale and speed in the previews line in order to not overflow production ....</p></p>
Customer #155489 on The "Internet of Things" is a scam!Customer #155489urn:uuid:1108f274-5761-5230-2f29-80a539b136242016-03-03T11:59:01-07:00<p>I believe the first internet thing was the net connected coke machine:
https://cseweb.ucsd.edu/~bsy/coke.history.txt</p>
HOYS on The "Internet of Things" is a scam!HOYSurn:uuid:40bc5bcb-4004-3fd8-912d-cdc8345992e82016-03-02T06:44:21-07:00<p><a href="http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/09/estation-hands-hed-rm-eng.jpg" rel="nofollow">It's older...but...</a></p>
kabram on The "Internet of Things" is a scam!kabramurn:uuid:8bbff49a-acee-ff30-2f75-33ddeb4753ac2016-03-02T06:26:17-07:00<p>For the most part, smart-home has come to mean
- a remote controlled bulb, fan, appliance, toaster, fridge, thermostat, etc.
- some internet connect gadget that provides data (pictures, weather, news)<p>I question if these things really make the home "smart." It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize the maintenance headache that the smart-home entails for the minuscule added benefit. And some of the offerings make me cringe. Ok, so I can take out my phone, open up an app, connect to my bluetooth light and adjust it. No thanks.</p><p>Here is what real progress would be:</p><ul>
<li><p>a 10 fold decrease in the cost to remodel your house</p></li>
<li><p>why do we still have neanderthal ways of painting a wall? I still have to use masking tape and rollers and painstakingly apply paint. Why can't this process be as easy as applying digital paint on a screen?</p></li>
<li><p>ways to harness the heat in the summer and the cold in the winter to modulate the other.</p></li>
</ul></p>
mc on The "Internet of Things" is a scam!mcurn:uuid:7de280b0-ca63-6d87-7e27-44650898e24a2016-03-01T23:53:02-07:00<p>Internet of Things, like home automation, will not take off until the following is done:<p>1) A free & open standard for the protocol between the devices and controller. Must be hobbyist & open source friendly for both the controller and things.</p><p>2) IPv6 & local controller. No, my thing is not punching a hole in my firewall to a website. My thing must be fully functional independent of an Internet connection and support from the seller/manufacturer.</p><p>3) Easy, fast, plug & play provisioning.</p><p>4) Must use a mesh network that can allow a device to last a year on battery power (see https://pinocc.io/ )</p></p>
Customer #708635 on The "Internet of Things" is a scam!Customer #708635urn:uuid:05009161-2c8d-f6da-778b-72f4aeb767812016-03-01T21:52:34-07:00<p>Oh, and it's a hell of a lot easier to tell someone you're doing, "IoT stuff" than, "building end-to-end securely auto-provisioned fault-tolerant mesh networks comprised of protocol agnostic interconnected nodes with heterogeneous embedded hardware".</p>
Customer #708635 on The "Internet of Things" is a scam!Customer #708635urn:uuid:6955d97e-4d12-3630-0a53-1d29f5b2080c2016-03-01T21:40:26-07:00<p>None of the projects (which presumably includes the people behind them) building things which fall under the subject seem to be concerned whatsoever with defining the term "IoT". And for good reason.<p>It doesn't matter what you call it.</p><p>The availability of inexpensive networking modules (down 300% in just two years), powerful SoC (system on chip) development boards, and a growing community of makers are all indicators of a changing tide that's as strong as the advent of personal computing in the 80's.</p><p>It's still early days yet, and if you're old enough to remember, it might seem familiar that the internet age was also preceded by hyped buzzwords like "information superhighway", "cyber{everything}", "internet online". The big companies eventually caught wind and tried hard to stake their claim. Some managed to do so, for a time. But in the end, what remains?</p><p>Not the buzzwords, not the hype, and not the corporate ownership. You don't see "http://" on a single billboard anymore, and you don't ask your friends <em>if</em> they own a PC, are "online" or have an "email account".</p><p>Call it whatever you want. You're free to spend all your time condemning the definition of a phase that will be forgotten in less than a decade. But you'll have entirely missed the point.</p></p>
soehler on The "Internet of Things" is a scam!soehlerurn:uuid:053c489d-3f06-0a01-f148-c5880410665d2016-03-01T19:46:05-07:00<p>Bravo Nick !</p>
Nick Poole on The "Internet of Things" is a scam!Nick Pooleurn:uuid:cdd13c7d-6c7a-9fd7-0da4-53ff8dead5b32016-03-01T17:27:40-07:00<p>I don't think it does preclude those devices. Your printer is a non-browser device, in that it isn't designed to browse the www.</p>
ME heat o nator on The "Internet of Things" is a scam!ME heat o natorurn:uuid:9ba27a51-7434-bd21-4689-ad0910aa054e2016-03-01T15:48:33-07:00<p>I just want to laugh for a moment about how we are using the term "smart" phone in an age when things adapt and change very quickly. We will soon look at "smart" phones as being out of date or old tech. Let us move beyond smart items and continue to develop our smarts.</p>
Customer #780666 on The "Internet of Things" is a scam!Customer #780666urn:uuid:3f196b3a-b8e0-d68c-6e84-27f379b87b7e2016-03-01T15:05:27-07:00<p>IMHO IoT is an awkward term. It's like calling a smartphone a "Mobile Data & Voice Terminal - MDVT"<p>On the other hand "Smart" as in Smart City, Smart Home, Smart Grid, Smart Car, etc is overused. Have to point out that it is "smartphone" and not "smart phone" - amazing what a difference a space character can make.</p><p>WoT (Web of Things) is another term that is being used, but not as widely. I think that WoT reflects more of the M2M view. But of course, that doesn't help with marketing.</p></p>
Customer #780646 on The "Internet of Things" is a scam!Customer #780646urn:uuid:e38f909e-f0ad-8791-c85f-b736a428834a2016-03-01T14:27:40-07:00<p>The Internet of Things has many years being a hot topic, but what exactly is it i think this explains a lot: <a href="https://beyondtech.us/blogs/beyond-blog/84098817-fiber-optics-applications-to-internet-of-things" rel="nofollow">Internet of things article from beyondtech </a></p>
Customer #375102 on The "Internet of Things" is a scam!Customer #375102urn:uuid:a0a38f0e-d63c-da1a-c8ca-a35420d0986a2016-03-01T12:32:31-07:00<p>My favorite phrase currently is: "Internet of Things you don't need."
Having said that, my house is connected, when I arrive after sunset, lights come on automatically at bed time they go off automatically.
I've got motion sensing radars and all manner of monitoring systems in the works.</p>